When people (women or otherwise) transgress social roles, the response varies from amusement to confusion to anger, but people who stay within âthe linesâ usually donât catch much flack. 139 votes, 32 comments. Once Caesar dies, they'll crumble. The legion was instrumental in Caesar's victory over Pompey in the Roman Civil War. The Raiders can come off as cartooney, when in reality they wouldn't be like that. Further, childbearing conditions in the wastes are already going to be awful, societies fundamentally have to make the process easier, infact anthropologists believe childbearing is one of the fundamental reasons societies formed at all. If I live in an area surrounded by Powder Gangers, then the Legion is a group i'll support. If you were to ask a medieval European man what they thought of women, you probably wouldnât find many foaming at the mouth with hatred. Ultimately even though they might sometimes be corrupted or extremely bureaucratic, the ideas they represent, democracy, freedom, and liberty despite everything that's going on are worth dying for. VII One of Caesar's four legions when he became governor of Gallia Cisalpina. Hsu’s back hit the floor, red blood flows slowly from his nose, seeing him in pain make a wide grin on frumentarius’ face. Caesar's Legion is a ruthless slaver society who is at the doorstep of the NCR (New California Republic) and Mr. House in Fallout: New Vegas. There was no limit on downward movement in such cases. In order to get to a higher rung of civilization (more advanced culturally & technologically), you had to pass through the lower rungs first. In theory, the remaining people already have gone through the stages of civilization, through the old world and vault life. The only way the legion can survive is because it's expanding quickly, it's not set up in a way it can sustain itself for many more generations, if any. He doesn't have the same ideals, knowledge, intelligence, or common sense that Caesar has. When the stance shown in the game is essentially "rape em and make them do all the manual labour and not give a shit, only hardened children survive" it's a set up for societal collapse by stupid. But don't you care about the women of the Legion? By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Most importantly, the standard of life in the late Roman Republic was a far sight better than the tribes under Caesar's rule. In the year 2246, the Followers of the Apocalypse sent a group of nine members to the Arizona wastelands to study the region’s tribal languages. v1.0 - First version, includes 3 Legion camps, lots of events, adds hundreds of NPCs, new types of legionaries, and lots of other things listed below. A state-of-the-art subreddit from Vault-Tec. It doesn't make me like them any more, but it's terrifying how solid his logic is. The interesting thing is, even caeser knows and accepts this. Hereâs the short summary of those attitudes: not good. Just as a note, I run A World Of Pain, Caesar's New Regime (but not for the screenshots) and lots of mods that add new areas and this one doesn't seem to mess with or overlap any of those. Also if Legion stopped chasing down raiders in their area and turn all resources toward Second Battle of Hoover Dam NCR would get overrun easily. NCR give most of their troops barely two week training before they send them to front lines, where as Legion spend their whole life fighting for their leader. If I'm a woman, it sucks. Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. I think it all just depends who exactly are you (Trader, male/female, farmer vs businessman, etc) and where you are located. Finally, my Legion will have its Rome. Lucius is one of Caesar's most trusted men and leader of the praetorian guard. None of these things seem especially true in the vanilla game. Joshua Graham remarks that he did not know of Lanius during his time as Legate, indicating he was not recruited until some time after the First Battle of Hoover Dam in 2277. A similar post came up in the New Vegas subreddit yesterday, for those who haven't seen it and are interested in more replies. If you ask Caesar why he chose to model his society off of the Roman Empire, he'll tell you that he believes that Mankind must start over fresh, and his opposition to the NCR is that they are trying to skip all the in-between development and go straight to Democracy. Being intimidated into joining the legion is one thing, getting along well with guys who rape your family is another. what a glorious speech! Also the legion hunts and kills all the raiders and various gangs. I want to see if I'm crazy or not. The Economy of Caesar's Legion. Caesar: That's right. Press J to jump to the feed. Then again, if I had to choose between being a Legion slave or be thrown to the Raiders, then the Legion is a better choice. I burned straight through the Legion storyline just to show off some of the larger FPGE content in a Legion playthrough. Some places like New Reno may still be a shit hole but caravans aren't getting sacked like on the frontier (the Mojave).Also what makes you think that the Legion can control what the NCR does not? The reason there is no bandits or radiers in the east is because the laws their are very strict and if you decide to steal or murder you get crucified and made an example. However, if it's a random encounter and Mr. House isn't given any prep time whatsoever, then Caesar's Legion succeeds. Go to -{stopping short as pain eplodes inside head} Caeser's Legion has a bunch of guys with makeshift swords, javelins and mostly 19th century style bullet guns in baseball gear. It doesn't appear in any feeds, and anyone with a direct link to it will see a message like this one. Overview Edit. If you take chems with you don't use them or it's not a Legion playthrough. I hate Caesar with a passion so I am a bit biased lol. Caesar's Life Caesar, the leader of Caesar's Legion. Between those two, I'd pick Caesar's Legion. Their brutal nature is what helps them survive and grow. We have clans for multiple games. Even if the Legion falls, the foundations and ideals they've left behind will be the building blocks toward a new South West. Not long into their travels, the group was captured by the Blackfoot tribe and held for ransom.At the time, the tribe warred against seven other tribes and suffered from a lack of skill in warfare. It would be solely on surviving, stability, and having a shot at the future. A state-of-the-art subreddit from Vault-Tec. Their not spread too thin, their trade routes are safer, there is no greed and taxes among the Legion they live a basic existence. And they are based off of an empire that conquered and lasted quite a long time. The overall quality of life for people would be much, much better. They had one competent president in their entire life. Caesar's Legion is a texbook example of a lawful evil society. They represent what is best for the people, freedom. A new YouTube series called The Cutting Room Floor recently debuted, and the first few videos to be released all delve into the background of Caesar’s Legion. As long as your okay with believing you're a higher power then someone due to birthright the legion are cool. This has very little to do with the personal opinions/experiences of individual Legionaries and everything to do with Caesarâs vision. JE Sawyer says the legion's misogyny did not come off as intended, but still, the final product is what we got. Asking Caesar about him reveals that Lanius was a member of a tribe hostile to Caesar's Legion, the Hidebarks, and Lanius was the bloodthirsty champion of that tribe, sometimes ambushing entire groups of legionaries by himself. A caravan from California gets ambushed by raiders do you think NCR do anything to make sure it doesn't happen again? Sure, the legion are an interesting faction and it's a shame they weren't explored more. #1. There are no more raiders or gangs roaming the wastes back in Cali, hell even the Khans fled to the newlands out of fear of the NCR's crackdown. The Legion systemically categorizes women for forced breeding (rape) or slave labor because Caesar wants as many Legionaries as possible as quickly as possible. When they are not those things, they are held in low regard if not considered worthless. Actually, the NCR also cares for it's caravans and goes after raiders. Caesar's Legion operates in accordance with a strict military hierarchy, inspired by the military of ancient Rome, as it is a massive army inspired by the stories of imperial Rome's might. No seriously it almost convinced me not to let New Vegas go into independence. Caesar's Legion. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. The Caesar's Legion in the game is a forward camp. Caesars legion uses it strength and ideals to conquer and take-over land. He observed that all ancient societies went through very similar stages, or rungs of a ladder, as he called it. To me House is the best option and I always pick House. I've actually seen some thigns where the NCR is rascist as well, they just allow ghouls and super mutants but don't really care about them. If Rome fell why can't the legion? Looking specifically at cut content, the series notes … The predominant thought is never going to be, the legion's "I rape em because I like it, sometimes even children" especially in a case like the legions, where the entire society was formed so quick that the tribes it's composed of are recent memory. Also the conversation you can have with cass really changed my perspective because the legion truly care about their own including caravans. In addition to the natural hazards of childbirth prior to the late 19th century, most social power structures excluded them or victimized them in various ways. To me it just depends on geography. There are laws and norms that are strictly enforced, the purpose of which are to draw power, wealth and influence up the pyramid to the society's leadership. Yes we all know they have many slaves but what do said slaves do besides be brutalized? Forging the dross into a vast, razor-sharp scythe. VDialogueCaesar_GREETING_00144618_1 Topic GREETING GREETING They used to be cannibals. When he was two years old, he and his mother fled the Boneyard when raiders killed his father, eventually finding sanctuary with the Followers of the Apocalypse in 2231. That's because I play as a Courier who is a badass. Look at what happened with that NCR ranger who got raped by the Fiends. This greatly differs from the rule by threat that NV Caesar uses. In a violent, post apocalyptic world: Its survival of the fittest, and compared to the NCR, the Legion have got their priorities straight. The Legion … The NCR are a failed empire, destroying themselves and those around them out of corruption, greed, and backstabbing. The average Legionary doesnât have deep-seated open hatred of women, but believes that their society (which subjugates women into specific roles) is good. With NO SIDE QUESTS. To reach the Fort, the Courier must use the barge at Cottonwood Cove. I dream of a wasteland where we have a good foundation upon which to build the civilization of the future. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, Critically hit in the groin for 75 damage, 2+2=4-bidden to the idiots of the think tank. I don't need that Roman shit messing everything up for me. Even with all the shoehorning of political agendas for the sake of biting wit, the game is an absolute legendary classic. Writers from that period tend to hold women in relatively high regard when they are young, beautiful, and childbearing. Sentient_Toaster. Caesar's Legion. The Brotherhood has Vertibirds and large numbers of power armored professional soldiers and the institute has an effectively unreachable base where they can mass produce killbots with energy weapons and infiltrators which can sneak into the Legions' Ranks. The Legate would take over. In 2226, a boy named Caesar was born. 1 Legionaries 1.1 Legionary 1.2 Decanus 1.3 Centurion 1.4 Legate 2 Other positions 3 References Recruit Legionaries (Latin: legionarius, pl. They have huge amounts of technology and knowledge from the old world. The victory over Pompey at Phrasalus in Greece was the most important victory of that bloody war.The legion was with Caesar in Egypt as he wiped out all the supporters of the Pompeian cause. Note that they only take slaves from tribes (like the Great Khans) and not towns, as well as groups of people who fight them (like in the Mojave), New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. And he puts the 6th Legion on Caesar’s side, when its surviving cohorts were actually in Pompey’s army at that time—some 900 men of the legion would go over to Caesar after the Battle of Pharsalus several months later. If the legion were to rule we'd a safe life. The legion was reformed by Lepidus in the spring of 43. NCR. I don't think my main priority would be what is Caesar's thoughts on women. They're still repeating history though - just from eve further back. My Legion's expansion has never ceased. Last year, I read a book called Attitudes toward Post-Menopausal Women in the High and Late Middle Ages, 1100-1400 (really) by Jessica E. Godfrey. In front of other comrades: “I work with Colonel Hsu on logistics. Sure, Fallout lore contends that the Legion is a slave army and that Caesar forbids many technologies, etc etc. Caravan from Arizona gets ambushed and a Frumentaari would already be gathering a war party and hunting those raiders down. The thing is, how they are portrayed, especially in regards to women, is utterly dysfunctional. Its later adventures are described here. However, if that society tried to rebuilt itself, it had to restart from the lowest rung. Much of the Utah and Colorado, and all of Arizona and New Mexico, are mine. He became a member of the contingent in 2268 and became their leader … Cookies help us deliver our Services. They are slaves for there whole life! Go to even the most brutal and women oppressing societies in history and ask their thoughts on women. While the bombs killed most, the ones remaining remember or at least know of the old world. The legion played important roles in Caesar's conquest of Gaul. For starters caesar is easily one of the smartest people in the wasteland. However, the empire that the Legion is based on crumbled in on itself. Their not spread too thin, their trade routes are safer, there is no greed and taxes among the Legion they live a basic existence. Caesar's Legion operates in accordance with a strict military rank system, inspired by pre-Marian Roman military. Why though? They have equal numbers and influence, at least with the NCR Hoover Dam will be operational and consistant/reliable electricity will be provided to the entire Mojave. In 42, it fought for the triumvirs at Philippi; later, it participated in Marc Antony's war against the Parthian empire. Aug 14, 2013 @ 10:51am Caesar. Perhaps desertion might not be a problem for Caesar, but those fearful of the Legion will stand with the Roman Republic. Here's JE Sawyers thoughts on the matter, which raise some more points I don't want to overlap. Bud’s Giant Brook Trout in the 2009 Trout Parade. Isn't the Legion more or less a misogynistic faction though? But Fallout lore also contends that the Legion are fierce, dangerous, numerous, organized, and a grave threat to the NCR and Mr. House. The NCR is already spread too thin and wouldnt be able to guard the mojave. Caesar's Legion is in the 'first stage' of society, where society has yet to develop towards the 2nd and 3rd stages of what Hegel believed was modeen civilisation at the time. I want to add one thing to what you said, if we are looking at how strong their armies are you can clearly see that Legion is way more powerful. Sorry, this post was deleted by the person who originally posted it. I think the problem with the fallout games is the Raiders always have cool settings with things such as human heads on spiked poles, cannibalism, drugs, prisoners, and other things of that nature but rarely add it to the dialogue. – Above -Carol Montana photo, Below Kath Lambert photo. In a violent, post apocalyptic world: Its survival of the fittest, and compared to the NCR, the Legion have got their priorities straight. Though he was intelligent and charismatic, the narcissistic and petulant Edward was never very popular among his peers. This has very little to do with the personal opinions/experiences of individual Legionaries and everything to do with Caesar’s vision. Caesar's Legion is a reactionary and militaristic slaver society and is classified into various castes by those who've studied them. The Fallout: New Vegas Legion Faction. The Legion following him would lead to a peak, but then an imminent demise. He received a free education from the Followers and eventually became a scribe, specializing in anthropology and linguistics. I am going to say legion, they care for their people, they can control their land, their aren't many outlaws, they might have slaves but over time that can change through succesion of leaders. In the end that's the way forward rather than going back to the ideas of governments before the great war. It was built for the purpose of winning the dam and the Mojave, I highly doubt Caesar's Legion back east is also nothing but tents. The history of the Legion can be traced back to the birth of the leader, Caesar himself, although the actual organization did not exist until several years later. In this case, that's Caesar himself. The group included Follower Edward Sallow, who met with the New Canaanite missionary Joshua Graham, a specialist in tribal dialects. Caesar's Legion is suddenly teleported back in time to when the Roman Empire ruled the world (Or what they thought was the world).Knowing they don't have a way back, they challenge the Roman Empire, as they believe that Julius Caesar was an imitator, and that their Caesar was superior. The Courier must either be invited when exiting The Tops after completing Ring-a-Ding-Ding!, Vulpes Inculta (or Alerio if they have already killed Vulpes, who will comment on this) will be waiting outside, or if For the Republic, Part 2 has been completed to the part one must report to Colonel Moore to inform her that the Great Khanshave been dealt with. Legio XII Fulminata ("Thunderbolt Twelfth Legion"), also known as Paterna, Victrix, Antiqua, Certa Constans, and Galliena, was a legion of the Imperial Roman army.It was originally levied by Julius Caesar in 58 BC, and the legion accompanied him during the Gallic Wars until 49 BC. Sell them for a good profit or throw them in a lake for I care. Caesar's Legion then tra… The unit was still guarding the Euphrates River crossing near Melitene at the beginning of the 5th century. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. The Legion systemically categorizes women for forced breeding (rape) or slave labor because Caesar wants as many Legionaries as possible as quickly as possible. 1 Background 2 Interactions with the player character 2.1 Interactions overview 2.2 Quests 2.3 Other interactions 3 Inventory 4 Notable quotes 5 Appearances 6 References Lucius is the commander of the praetorian guard in Caesar's Legion. We have cities of our own, but nothing compared to Vegas. "a lot of minor Legion characters came across as far more overtly misogynistic than I had intended them to." Edward Sallow was born in 2226 as an NCR citizen. Since they rape their female slaves and won't allow women to fight in their army? Caesar's Legion is an imperialistic dictatorship over the American Southwest founded in 2247 by Edward Sallow and Joshua Graham, inspired and partially based on the ancient Roman Empire. In real life I'd be a farmer or scavenger surviving, which are the type of people House doesn't give a shit about in the short term. When a society collapsed, it could drop from the highest rung down to the bottom almost overnight. On either side of … The Legion makes more progress than any other faction, and their rise and fall would be inevitable in real-life. Specialist in tribal dialects into a vast, razor-sharp scythe behind will the. 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